First of all. This is not another “how do I exit vim?” shitpost.
I’ve been using (neo)vim for about two years and I started to notice, that I,m basically unable to use non-vim editors. I do not code a lot, but I write a lot of markown. I’d like to use dedicated tools for this, but their vim emulators are so bad. So I’m now stuck with my customized neovim, devoid of any hope of abandoning this strange addiction.
Any help or advice?
Learn emacs
No joke, Emacs has the ability to render in line markdown, essentially the current line is just text, while the rest of the doc is rendered as markdown titles, links, lists, etc. It’s my favourite way of editing markdown but I’ve never found another editor that does markdown like that. Everything else has text and rendered markdown side by side as separate panes, which I personally hate.
Edit: I stand corrected. Neovim has it too: https://github.com/MeanderingProgrammer/render-markdown.nvim
Sounds like what Obsidian and Logseq do? Awesome!
Marktext is another. Pretty lightweight and more permissive license than Obsidian.
No joke, Emacs has the ability to render in line markdown, essentially the current line is just text, while the rest of the doc is rendered as markdown titles, links, lists, etc.
This sounds amazing. I’ve been using markdown-mode for ages now though, and I’ve never come across this feature.
How do you enable this?
Some people over at reddit seem to suggest that the functionally you speak of doesn’t exist, except in the form of a proof of concept snippet over at SO.
EDIT: Said snippet would probably be sufficient, if it handled codeblocks correctly (stuff in between
```. At the moment, it handles them miserably (maybe because they are multineline elements?)
Agreed. Start here.
LOL you made my day :) “emacs is a part time job”
Why would you wanna quit if vim works for you?
Plus vim can be an amazing markdown editor with a few dedicated plugins.
Yes, it is amazing, but some things ( like md tables or writing katex eqations) are handled rough. And I still sometimes need to use something other than vim and then life gets hard.
That’s why for tables and katex equations I used plugins to help me with then to not be rough.
As for other stuff than vim, minimize the nees for them if it really gets hard.
Also, some tools have plugins to provide vim controls for them.
I know at least and use these:
- SublimeText (https://github.com/NeoVintageous/NeoVintageous)
- Firefox (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vimium-ff)
There are probably more…
As for other stuff than vim, minimize the nees for them if it really gets hard.
Your vim obsession is looking kinda unhealthy at this point.
I just prefer the vim bindings and motions, not an obsession. I use diff tools almost daily and can manage in them with no issues, but whenever I can use vim binding I will because they just feel better to me.
Idk, mister/miss. Your comment was pretty concerning.
I was talking for the op in that part tho, it can be seen from the context
Then I don’t think it’s a good advice. It’s literally the opposite of what the OP asked.
What plugins can you recommend?
I think the only markdown plugin I’ve used was for table alignment.
Mkdnflow is the one that I used to use and it does so many things amazingly for writting markdown easier
I’ll check it out. Right now my wiki workflow consists of homemade scripts, which have some sharp corners.
Switch to GUI editors with Word-like navigation. You will struggle but eventually your vim habits will fade away and then you will be able to use any editor with slightly various levels of performance.
Why do you want stop using Vim in the first place? That would be a good information to have, to give help. What dedicated tools do you mean? What do they offer that you miss in Vim? If you just hate Vim and want stop using it no matter what, the only solution is to uninstall it, to not fall into those habits of using it everywhere. Over time you should get used to those other editors and tools.
The trick is do the opposite, namely bring vim everywhere, e.g using Tridactyl you can bring some behaviors to the browser and, in this very textarea from lemmy, if I press Ctrl+i I get gvim, when I exit it, the content is back in the textarea and I can reply. Vim everywhere.
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Thanks for sharing back such detailed instructions! I hope you will like it and inspire other to try. I’ve been using it for years now https://fabien.benetou.fr/Tools/Tridactyl after Vimperator and really enjoy browsing this way.
I unfortunately deleted this comment, before seeing your reply. I thought it was too complicated for an comment. So I ended up creating a dedicated tutorial post based on that reply in Linux and Firefox communities.
lol, yes I just saw that :D No worries, thanks for sharing it there then!
With neovim you can even put vim in the textarea.
You could consider markdown extensions that helps you write and visualize!
Like this one: https://github.com/MeanderingProgrammer/render-markdown.nvim
Get a thinkpad or a keyboard with a trackpoint. Your life gets a little bit better.
I rarely even use my trackpoint ngl
Use doom emacs
Make a plugin to a non-vim editor that properly emulates the vim experience, with the non-vim GUI.
Or, if that doesn’t work well enough, fork them.
Failing that, you could just accept your fate. I love my neovim install.
Take vim with you to something with a lot more features!
I use vscode with vim plugin/key bindings lol
Some IDE’s have a VIM mode.
This is what I do. The IDEA tools (InteliJ, PyCharm, etc.) have pretty good vim support.
The answer is of course another editor: doomemacs
I don’t know understand why you need markdown, but if you are so used to vim motions why not switch to latex instead. You wouldn’t have to worry about katex support as well. This is an advice solely based on your need for katex support without understanding your needs.
Just switch to VSCode or something similar, it has enough features and shortcuts that will quickly make you like at least 80% as productive as you were in Vim. It even has a Vim mode so you can wean yourself off of it more easily.
Honestly never got the appeal of Vim, you need to spend so much time learning and configuring it only to squeeze out a little bit of extra productivity out of it when compared to a “normal” editor/IDE. I don’t see why it’s so important to be able to edit and write code as quickly as possible since most of the time you’re going to be debugging or looking at the code or reading docs.
EDIT: Just noticed you said you don’t code a lot. I think most of what I said still applies, I imagine you don’t spend 99% of the time in the editor typing away.
I haven’t measured it, but I can tell I’m noticably slower on standard editors than Vim.
The thing is, it’s fun
I used to use Sublime for notes and then VSCode and those types of text editors work just fine for non code stuff imo. VSCode even has syntax highlighting for Markdown so could be a plus for OP.
Build a small EMP device. Figure out how to trigger it from terminal. Delete the key bindings for vim. Map them to the trigger you have for the EMP.
… good luck…?
